Discussion on Scarlet and Vermillion Colors
Discussion on Scarlet and Vermillion Colors
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- 5th July 1840 (Creation)
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Mess Perkins Bacon & Vetch
Repository
Royal Philatelic Society London
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375.
your hands & greattoughness tends to guine indien
timet geinnde
Aumetness to a watermark.
Attheriste de your censure forestande
an Arjungent we must entice your observation
as to the deste, for although que certamity have very
acute, clear Straight forward business habits, une
think for once quu are quite in the wrong titis the
foronce
more needful we should doso, because we are ready to
Carry out our ensagengents.
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Toge way that in the corzeszenie
" of the 5th 19th Feby - 15th Jane & gr July 1840 the han
Always been plainly described or written superior
Searlet Juk "Vit cannot be successfully maintained
that Brauge is scarlet at all, neither that ection dis
could be used to print a superior scarlet? Areply
which should run on all fours with the above are
arjun
would be that bermittion itself which you so quiet
favor is not scarlet, but Crimson ; and the Patterns
which you gave us has no appearance to our lips
If Searlet although it has of Crimson, but neithe
of us eare for technicalities therefore we will dimmißßtly
dianis
When we first corresponded by lett
as well as personally you save nono specimen ohel
you required, nor did you hint at the use ofvermilly
a colour, the use of which, in Copper Mate bruiting is run
from its extravagant price; when you gave the specimen
we did not think it would require bermillion to prom
it _ the have examined the whole correspondence onli
sides, except your letter of 75th June which we committe
But what we find is that you write us on the 5
enclosing a requisition in Granich forms to kandate
which we did Bou the 17th reby enade out the button
asuperior red inter" on the DBrd hebr
owne translation dated the 19. arty in which ann
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other important matters que translate it" aluferin
Scarlet Mille" bystour attention was
drawen
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a
difference in that respect. On the Bofundme to the
you our fird Estimate in which we propose touse
red dute» On the 24 Jem you write but mallino
Correction four estimate. On the Zr July you write
letter eneforing a slip which was handed this
rugramer
totwork from, in which we now see aremarts th
"as the note, will be printed Fearlet ze on the 5th July,
a contract is anade Higned by Both parties in which
we (as we had ever done) innocently persevered as
wehad done throughout in much the words fristen
" in red huts". And upitit meprinted the specimens
were not quare that you hnd all alouch einmungen
Jums tho' never in Guur letters, & poten onething
tive ofanother.
I never did me charge a price for
a
or dreams fycling bermillion but when we came to
print the specimens to send you we found that the Shades
which would print well upon Banke Note Paper (untiben
Common writing papers) were extremely limited therefore
we sent such as under other eizenmstances we should
not have done at all. We think we are bound to say
This much in self defence, but we will at once falfum
with your besfection Radd more vermillion to the sample
the me
marked Jr. B. 3. Devereally think it, every thing coun-
-sidered (irrespective of Cost) the best Color Hall
sent you.
We thank you for our offer to pay
776.4.5 inadechank
ми
us
4.5 in advance on the Order now excenting for
you which will be very acceptable although we
Certainty Phall not make it a condition of meeting
your views as to the colour.
*On the subject of the run 50% $400 te
you laber under great misapprehensions. We havalarge
378.
377-
Stock, & dies Vifthese Plates could be made prometheus
we should however full ofwork us than than the
Thought
asking any advance upon the low-price at which
you deaul for about time been supplied, but the facts
are quite otherwise. There happens to be bestone
Single die on each hote which we could use withing
Great dexpensive alterations, and both of the regis
you ask to have exchanged for others; the Paill
requires the least but quen that must have considerin
worth upon it. In the former 308 Note (besides the
writing which is much she came in all) there were
only Six dies which though good were on our system
cumple in making – whereas in the crew 588 theme
are ten most of them very complicated, Refpensive
In the former 100g hote there were
we
in doing so the Plates we propose torçabre would be
Engines & plate is nothing like the inerated value of
Cheap at difty Suineas, each the addition of Four
Sujucas
the new over the old fetates, we quish therefore though
respectfully decline making them under Seventy fine
Juineas each Note Def you were here, we could easily
Matthey were worth it
The heels of the Mote which are to be cut through but
The more open the pattern the more it is expotest to
forgery five containsly thinkle that already upon
The 50 drawing cause are, Dearden respeelfully
Cannot be improved
We
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the the same rate applies as thattothe
5078 whereas in the new 1008 Thurgare Mize there
very complicated beffensive. All our Lathe worl
is costly from the great quantity failures before me
secure a good die - but you have no adequate idea
of the todent. Itime I money which are demanded to
produce the combined varieties which we have united
in various parts of the
1 parts of the new drawings.
We are dolized forthe many Orders
you have given frateful forthevery hours
manner in which after you frame brought les tourn
low rate, you have ever fulfilled you
engagements, & for these and many other reasons
Cue are disposed to work for you at the lowest proper
rate, but the other 50% 100% Notes having been fapt
though we believe they would never have been
fiched if printed & kept in a good state as they wou
have been by us – me felt it circumbent oncertie
our best energies in the crew drawings to baffle the
aha very
us we are
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Would
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Sentlemen,
for
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25th October 1848
The pattern & Colour you have deur
I we can easily prodice, but the size is incon-
venient in the extreme, we can only produce
only produce in of
that size from à Medium plate partly stopped out,
a
They agreat wathe of time & blanketing, and if done
byfut we must charge 10/4, for the 220 impressions
Rwhich we think avery high price - We have already
deplined printing from a similarsizl because of
the impossibility of doing it at an apparently reasontie
Mate
We are your d
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Summary: The letter discusses the correct shade of scarlet, distinguishing it from crimson, and addresses issues related to the use of vermillion in printing specimens. It also mentions correspondence and contracts related to color specifications and pricing.
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Date: 5th July 1840
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